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Rebekah Greene 2:07.77 W16 NR

Gort 2 years ago

Great run but...Andrea Stewart ran 2:07.53 at 16 and Michelle Green ran 2:07.2 so not sure why the standard was set 2:08.00 when so many others were set higher than anyone achieved prior to the records being established thinknbsp; mens PV.

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David Millar 2 years ago

Gee the old cut and paste aint working very well.
Irsquo;ll try again.

The IAAF Rule 260.18d states quot;No performance set by an athlete will be recognised if it has been accomplished during a mixed competition.quot;


Athletics NZ supplimentary rules states quot;Rule 260.18d - IAAF Competition Rules 2009 is to be disregarded for New Zealand records set in mixed competition.quot;


So ................Who cares if she was running against guys....

David Millar 2 years ago

Athletics NZ supplimentary rules state:

That rule refered to statesnbsp;quot;No performance set by an athlete will be recognised if it has

been accomplished during a mixed competition.quot;



Who cares if she was running against guys....


5. Rule 260.18d - IAAF Competition Rules 2009 is to be disregarded for New Zealand

records set in mixed competition.

Haytron 2 years ago

I can see the sense in having these gender rules... because if you allow a record to stand for females in a mixed race, then its not a huge step further to allow a male to be paced through a record by someone wearing roller blades, on a bike or on a suped up pogo stick or something as ridiculous as these examples sound. You need to draw the line somewhere and splitting up the genders ensures that its equivalent for both males and females.

Having said this, its one of the massive challenges all kiwi runners have: we just dont have enough regular close competition, in favourable wind conditions, to produce regular fast times and to be pushed to even faster times. And this is perhaps one advantage the ladies have over the fellas here, that if theyre near the top of their game in NZnbsp;they can simply race with the boys and get better competition every week.

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Jim Baird 2 years ago

Records mean nothing it is just a guide too improvement. They happen when who ever gets all the right conditions and has the ability too take advantage of the moment . As i have stated before women in Athletics is treated as a nbsp;poor cousin and untill this is rectifiednbsp; all this drible about men and women racing together. In Dunedin they get exactly the same treatment as men gt; As Brownie has stated our numbers are few and our women are very young . The structure works well even our youngest run with masters year 9 to learn race craft and pace and withnbsp;masters nbsp;support they learn alot. As for Beck she races men as she needs to learn too keep pace with world youth runners e.g being around the 4min pace off 1500s and the 200min nbsp;for 800s I see those times as hard too achieve as yet ,nbsp; but there nbsp;will be a time it will happen at the world U20s. seems more people on here are concerned she is thinking about records, never once have we gone out too get a record PB is our priority if the conditions favour her and she gets a good PB and a record is there then thats the job of the officails too decide, Remember lots of recordsnbsp;they come and go and are irrelevant other than as i said too a guide for progression of improvment. Seedings are far more important as performace records

Rees Buck 2 years ago

Awesome run by Rebekah - great to follow up after a great Sec Schools Champs. Although the rules around records seem arbitrary since we are in a sport which separates on gender I have no problem with records being required to be set against like-gender athletes. We all know the rules and Rebekah and her Coach would have been aware of them too so probably arent upset about the record not being ratified An assumption on my part.

RE: Brad Mathas - there are plenty of mature-for-their-age school kids before him who have done great things at school events and afterwards. Brad is now the best of them in school, lets hope he can become the best once he moves on. - dcnbsp;

Gort 2 years ago

David: This is because they change the rules for age groups every few years so the records have to keep being reset...

David Sexton 2 years ago

WHynbsp; does ANZ have to have these standardsfor records. Keep it simple; list the fastest time, best jump/throw by the person that age and thats your starting point. Q Rew is absolutely right, keep it simple.

Some of the standards have no relevance to the real world; Glenn Howard owns all the HJ records but his 2.05m as a 16 yr old isnt good enough as a benchmark Rubbish.

Q Rew 2 years ago

Shit comparison.
Shit rule.
Shit all around really.

Footracing shouldnbsp;be the most simple sport there is: you run for a pre-determined distance, and get a placing and a time. The person with the lowest of each wins. So much bureaucracy,nbsp;around records especially. The sport would be so much better without it.
Awesome stuff by Becky - hopefully shes got good people around her to keep her in the sport and pumping out incredible times.
Alan - the reference to Brad was 50 compliment, 50 jealousy, 50 respect.nbsp;Adds up tonbsp;150, because hes THAT good.

Alan Rubick 2 years ago

Browno
quot;Whats the difference to Ballam or Brad Manchildathas popping in the ITM 800m against Willis an co and ripping round in record time?quot;

Browno, please be aware of your comment on this forum quot;Brad Manchildathasquot;, are read by the person mentioned and he does have feelings.

tpain 2 years ago

The rule was changed so thatnbsp;Womennbsp;could acquirenbsp;qualifying standards to global events racing the men,nbsp;it should really go one step further and apply to records. At the end of the day she ran the time on an approved 400m track.

browno 2 years ago

Because in Otago for example on Saturdays fields are split on times not age/gender. Due to numbers.

Ballam- Exactly my point. Juniors are allowed to run up a grade for a better time why not with the other gender.

Maybe that is why there is still a standard not a record even though the standard has been bettered three times because they were racing guys.

fano 2 years ago

nbsp;Browno why would a 14yo boy be in a girls race in the first place.nbsp;

I think it is a bullshit rule myself, I think she should be able along with any other girls to get records paced by guys, but thats the rules.nbsp;

The genders are completely different, the Ballam example is stupid, which I thought you would see juniors have been able to run up a grade for years.

Would rather not harp on about this and rather just keep it at a great run thread.nbsp;

That is all.

browno 2 years ago

You didnt get what i meant fano, Ballam was a junior racing senior men elites who towed him round to I presume a regional record? Ive got no problem with it but they are in different age groups/ levels of athlete so its not much different to Becky on Saturday except of course they are the same gender.

Rules are rules and Im not disputing them just commenting on them

And how is ten seconds over the top? the top women in the world have gone 1.57 this year..

Does a 14 year old boys record not count if he is racing Nikki/Angie/Becky?

Jim Baird 2 years ago

As i have been told records and world qualifying can only be against women , how NZ records are concerned i think thats another matter and as for Becks time this weekend if she is good enough she will do it again but brownies right we dont havenbsp;many quality runners in that female group over that distance in Dunedin and it gets expensive chasing it around New Zealand. so the pace the yourng blokes race suits her long term preperation we havnt peaked for any event this year maybe some tapering but other training continues as normal she will rest over xmas then attend Rio squad camp in January and move onto some invite meets to run out of her comphort zone, then NZ nbsp;Nationals 2 weeks after thatnbsp;the Australian nationals under supervison of Raylene Bates in Melbourne cheers Jim

browno 2 years ago

on Saturday in Otago fano? name them.

fano 2 years ago

nbsp;Browno that just sounded stupid.nbsp;

Can think of 3 girls already faster than her, bit disrespectful to them. 10sec up the track a bit over top too.nbsp;
And regarding those guys racing Willis, they are men, racing against other men, there is no question there. Rules are rules, and if hasnt peaked yet then should have no trouble running that by herself soon.

browno 2 years ago

Rough. No record because your competition is to shit... Or people youre racing are to good?
So let me get this straight you have to set age group records in a race against people of the same age..Or just gender?
I know thats the case at senior elite level for women world records etc. but age grades..?
So it would have counted if she did it racing elite senior women like Nikki who would have been ten secs up the track, but not count if she raced B-grade local males?
Whats the difference to Ballam or Brad Manchildathas popping in the ITM 800m against Willis an co and ripping round in record time?

Jim Baird 2 years ago

Done m8 cheers Jim

Physeder 2 years ago

nbsp;Hey Jim,nbsp;

Flick me an e mail


Cheers : Kim Stevenson

Jim Baird 2 years ago

I believe she has not even peaked yet, and is running with the men so she can get used too the pace, for the year 2012 as stated in the ODT today

Daniel O'Shea 2 years ago

That is most likely the case Craig, she has been running in the guys races all season.

cdm 2 years ago

looking at the results - Rebekah ran in race 1 with the guys??? Hard to tell with those Otago results. If that is the case then it wouldnt be a NZ record anyway. Surprised that it is listed as an otago record also but local rules might be slightly different

Either way a great run and hope she goes even faster by seasons end

David Millar 2 years ago

nbsp;Yes it would be quite good to be able to look up a record and find an actual record.

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